Curse

Jhadur · Jan 11, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Coridan

Mickey were you ever the party leader? Maybe thats why...because you led others to use the exploit.bug.hack

I'm not sure if he was leader or not but as the thread has progressed he's gone from "didn't know it was an exploit" to "knew it was an exploit only used it 4 times" and now "only used it 7 times" I think he deserves the ban same as most if not all of the other 117.

Painbringer · Jan 11, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Milennin

I got a question...
A while ago there was some guy in Kamadan who randomly invited people into his party and then map travelled to an area called Shiverpeak Arena... The map was basically Yak's Bend and a large part of Traveler's Vale combined, without any monsters or NPCs.
I guess it was basicly the same as that hidden area in the Realm of Torment, some kind of testing map. Now this map didn't allow us to exploit some part of the game (we were just partying and running around), but if Anet discovers this thing is still being used, would there be the risk of getting getting permanently banned?

There was an arena there which has been closed mybe the link is still good on map travel.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Shiverpeak_Arena

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Hey.
im one of the 117 poeple who got a ban. i would like to clear up a fiew points.

1. this is not a glicth or a hack. no body used a 3rd party program to get the hidden town. the town is mearly a test area anet didnt properly delete or fully seal off

2. we got there by accident. in the User Agreement there is nothing about accidently finding something Anet left in the game, we have not broken the T & C.

3. if i explain how to get the said town YOU WILL LAUCH ITS SO SIMPLE Anet know this and blaming hacking and banning people with no true reason.

4. The economy is in no way changed by the 117 people, i know for a fact the only thing the aquired armbraces were used for is Tormented weapons

5. The recent Guild hall mapping glitch is far more powerful than this, this is merely a taxi (verry simmilar to the urgos taxi a while ago) note ** NO hacking or 3rd party programs **

6. I persony said i would Show a GM ingame how we found it and would explain fully on how we obtained the town.

7. This secret town is not even half as bad in game as all the bot farmers in game gold sales. they are the true people who can ruin guild wars.

8. Form people Saying this is a hack, you just gave every true hacker in GW to try it and other things. again THIS IS SO SIMPLE AND STUPID HOW TO GET THE TOWN IF YOU KNEW YOU WOULD LAUGH

9.its not a exploit, its not a glitch. its something Anet left in the game much like ingame items they didnt remove. We have not broken any rules. Anet have no real reason for a ban. my ban was because i used a "in-game exploit" but there isnt one, the most they could ban me for is 72 hour taxi ban and lets face it, thats pothetic

10.Anet just need to accept they made a mistake this time. Anet are generly really good for fixing things and for a free to play game they do a great job. but they have took it a little too far this time. they need to unlift the ban and work more in finding and fixing these sorts of thing rather just a carpet ban and ignore it ever hapend. there are MUCH worse things in the game than this.

once again - NO 3rd party tools and NO HACKING

Mineria · Jan 11, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

For those who used the exploit, permanent ban no second chance.
It is no secret that people who got away with it once will do it again.
For the rest its just about using time going through the chat logs etc.
That will show how innocent those are.

On a little side note I can add, that I banned players for hacking attempts, since preventing it from happening in the first place works much better.
Sure, they disagreed and argued about their bans, but that didn't really bother me, since every track was logged.
The main job is to to keep the main player base happy, since that is how you earn your money.

Saying I only did it x times, is like a thief saying, I didn't mean to steal it.

PS. if you enter a GM outpost you must be really stupid claiming that it is how it should be.
On top of that, going for a boss multiple times from that spot is exploiting.
So you can try to bend it as much you like, it is still an exploit.

Rambo' · Jan 11, 2008, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

1. this is not a glicth or a hack. no body used a 3rd party program to get the hidden town. the town is mearly a test area anet didnt properly delete or fully seal off

I don't care if it was or not, you knew what you were doing and you kept doing so you could gain from it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by truzo 117

4. The economy is in no way changed by the 117 people, i know for a fact the only thing the aquired armbraces were used for is Tormented weapons

I don't believe you for one moment when you stand there and tell me you know exactly what went on across 117 accounts.

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

7. This secret town is not even half as bad in game as all the bot farmers in game gold sales. they are the true people who can ruin guild wars.

10.Anet just need to accept they made a mistake this time.

ofc the bots are a problem but thats a different matter, you need to accept you got caught, face the music.

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Thats exactly my point. you cannot get a ban for a Taxi or Ferry.

And to all you people who claim is a hack or "the first guy must have hacked" you are totally wrong, everyone who has EVER faught mallyx could have found this town by accident. Anet also know this FACT.

your all trying to blame this on a hack because you dont know how it works. simple as that.

Its Laughable how you get there its so simple.

quickmonty · Jan 11, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

Just noticed a couple of threads:

For the New Player on a Budget ......... 117 replies
The Official Introductions Thread ........117 replies

Players banned for recent "exploit" ...... 117

MUST be a conspiracy!

Antheus · Jan 11, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by Mickey

Gaile told me, as one of the 117, that I had no chance. But I think I do, I know I only used it 7 times, I have people that know I have only used it 7 times, I have 7 Mallyx greens for christ sake. I just hope some of the people that might have a chance will keep fighting.

7 times?

*Only* 7 times?

Gee, you really got banned unfairly.

It's like saying: Your honor, I didn't mean to kill the person. I was holding a knife, and they tripped and fell on it. Only 7 times total. It was obviously an accident.

The only ones who can appeal are those that enter the area, but never did Mallyx, or perhaps if they killed Mallyx once.

Like I said before - this thread is full of completely innocent victims. They only used this exploit repeatedly. By mistake. Not knowing. Doing DoA for the first time. Being forced into party with evil hacker. Due to Anet's incompetence. To get scammed out of $200 and 2 years of gameplay time.

Poor innocent victims.

Except that people still believe that those that play victim on forum are innocent or banned by mistake. No matter what - it's not easy to get banned, and it's even harder to get banned by mistake. People just love to omit certain details.

ProgTes · Jan 11, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

Hey.
im one of the 117 poeple who got a ban. i would like to clear up a fiew points.

1. this is not a glicth or a hack. no body used a 3rd party program to get the hidden town. the town is mearly a test area anet didnt properly delete or fully seal off

2. we got there by accident. in the User Agreement there is nothing about accidently finding something Anet left in the game, we have not broken the T & C.

3. if i explain how to get the said town YOU WILL LAUCH ITS SO SIMPLE Anet know this and blaming hacking and banning people with no true reason.

4. The economy is in no way changed by the 117 people, i know for a fact the only thing the aquired armbraces were used for is Tormented weapons

5. The recent Guild hall mapping glitch is far more powerful than this, this is merely a taxi (verry simmilar to the urgos taxi a while ago) note ** NO hacking or 3rd party programs **

6. I persony said i would Show a GM ingame how we found it and would explain fully on how we obtained the town.

7. This secret town is not even half as bad in game as all the bot farmers in game gold sales. they are the true people who can ruin guild wars.

8. Form people Saying this is a hack, you just gave every true hacker in GW to try it and other things. again THIS IS SO SIMPLE AND STUPID HOW TO GET THE TOWN IF YOU KNEW YOU WOULD LAUGH

9.its not a exploit, its not a glitch. its something Anet left in the game much like ingame items they didnt remove. We have not broken any rules. Anet have no real reason for a ban. my ban was because i used a "in-game exploit" but there isnt one, the most they could ban me for is 72 hour taxi ban and lets face it, thats pothetic

10.Anet just need to accept they made a mistake this time. Anet are generly really good for fixing things and for a free to play game they do a great job. but they have took it a little too far this time. they need to unlift the ban and work more in finding and fixing these sorts of thing rather just a carpet ban and ignore it ever hapend. there are MUCH worse things in the game than this.

once again - NO 3rd party tools and NO HACKING

Lie whatever you want. The person who started all this crap confessed about the 3rd party tool already. You think whatever you want about it, but you were clearly one of the 117 who abused the exploit on purpose and deserve your ban.

Tom Swift · Jan 11, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

And to all you people who claim is a hack or "the first guy must have hacked" you are totally wrong, everyone who has EVER faught mallyx could have found this town by accident. Anet also know this FACT.

your all trying to blame this on a hack because you dont know how it works. simple as that.

What??? Are you saying ANet might lied when they claimed it was a hack?? O heavens, surely not. They are always so honest and accurate with the info they give us!

/sarcasm

Point -> it may be a 3rd party tool or it may not but I can't tell whose lying because I can't trust ANet to tell the truth. Would be handy if someone who claims it was not a 3rd party program or hack to tell us how it was done - wouldn't make any difference now since it has been fixed and would certainly help us know whether we should trust ANet or not.

seut · Jan 11, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Causality, the question is why?

Cause: Anet made a test outpost.
Effect: People tested it short term and sneaked in long term.

Why did people sneak in? To gain benefit.
Why wasn't the outpost removed by Anet when it fulfilled its purpose?

Cause: Anet doesn't have control over certain mechanics
Effect: The eula was created to put fear in people's minds

I know what you're thinking: 'Why didn't I just take the blue pill?'

according to Gaile the outpost is an integral part of the Mallyx quest and can't be removed..
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=352

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

[*]The existence of the outpost -- in hidden form -- is required to offer the Domain of Anguish. This was not a "test" and the outpost absolutely could not be "deleted when we were finished with 'testing" or "saved on some storage device." So as directly as I can say it to those offering unfounded opinions: Deleting the outpost disables the entire Domain of Anguish mission. Therefore, let's be fair and not blame ArenaNet because someone hacked his client!

To the people asking for more leniency: we know the number of banned accounts, but not the number investigated in this matter. The number of looked at accounts might be far larger than 117. We have no facts to base upon how lenient Anet is!

Shadowmoon · Jan 11, 2008, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Slavers seem to be made that way, but after seeing the surfacing of ferry, and the mass farming, anet changed their mind. They wanted people to be able to help other finish slaver even if they didn't finish the 4 origanal parts, similar to FA in SF, but when they ferrys droping people off started, tehy decided that to much gold was goin into the economy, and closed it off.

Also, this was a glitched town, it wasn't suppose to be in live servers.

Also if you claim it was simple to get into say town, then tell us. I assume the first person used a hack to get there, then used the guildhall to ferry people there. Of course you should be wary wehn you deal with dev only towns. Sound have sent Ticket to support about it, ask about using it. If a dumb GM say it seems ok, then u have documentation to protect yourself when the hammer drops, and if the GM is smart enough to pay attention and not give a macro anwer, then you would know to dnot mess with the town.

hurric · Jan 11, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

Hey.
4. The economy is in no way changed by the 117 people, i know for a fact the only thing the aquired armbraces were used for is Tormented weapons

Care to explain why when I went to sell Mallyx's shields there were people selling it for 10-15k while 6 months ago I sold the same shield for almost 8x that amount? I understand the prices will go down by time as more people try it but not a huge jump like that. Also prices of gem sets have been dropping in the past few months (not that I sell them).

All that aside, if other people spend 3 hours doing a quad run, it's not fair for someone to go directly to boss and collect rewards in 20 mins. End of story.

GloryFox · Jan 11, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by truzo 117
Hey.
im one of the 117 poeple who got a ban. i would like to clear up a fiew points.

1. this is not a glicth or a hack. no body used a 3rd party program to get the hidden town. the town is mearly a test area anet didnt properly delete or fully seal off

2. we got there by accident. in the User Agreement there is nothing about accidently finding something Anet left in the game, we have not broken the T & C.

3. if i explain how to get the said town YOU WILL LAUCH ITS SO SIMPLE Anet know this and blaming hacking and banning people with no true reason.

4. The economy is in no way changed by the 117 people, i know for a fact the only thing the aquired armbraces were used for is Tormented weapons

5. The recent Guild hall mapping glitch is far more powerful than this, this is merely a taxi (verry simmilar to the urgos taxi a while ago) note ** NO hacking or 3rd party programs **

6. I persony said i would Show a GM ingame how we found it and would explain fully on how we obtained the town.

7. This secret town is not even half as bad in game as all the bot farmers in game gold sales. they are the true people who can ruin guild wars.

8. Form people Saying this is a hack, you just gave every true hacker in GW to try it and other things. again THIS IS SO SIMPLE AND STUPID HOW TO GET THE TOWN IF YOU KNEW YOU WOULD LAUGH

9.its not a exploit, its not a glitch. its something Anet left in the game much like ingame items they didnt remove. We have not broken any rules. Anet have no real reason for a ban. my ban was because i used a "in-game exploit" but there isnt one, the most they could ban me for is 72 hour taxi ban and lets face it, thats pothetic

10.Anet just need to accept they made a mistake this time. Anet are generly really good for fixing things and for a free to play game they do a great job. but they have took it a little too far this time. they need to unlift the ban and work more in finding and fixing these sorts of thing rather just a carpet ban and ignore it ever hapend. there are MUCH worse things in the game than this.

once again - NO 3rd party tools and NO HACKING

Anyone can post this garbage thinking they have credit. Put up or shut up, if the way was simple and easy then post how it was done. The burden of prof is on you.

Even if it was easy there is a difference between what was done in this exploit and what was done for Duncan. If you can't tell the difference then you have issues of not understanding right from wrong.

Onyx Blindbow · Jan 11, 2008, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Truzo were you the party leader or merely part of the party?

I would say the latter as you clearly do not have a clue how the exploit was performed.

There was a 3rd party program involved which enabled the party leader to change something he wasn't allowed to

all your posts have been nothing but "QQ'ing" and then you say your not bothered about your account being banned

Upto now the only banned person whom I have any respect for is DragonRogue as he admitted he did wrong and was stupid to do so, if a-net were to show leniency I would place my vote for him to be re-instated after a temp-ban purely because he admitted fault and was quite clear about it.

X Artimus X · Jan 11, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

I have been reading, and my only question is who doesn't look for an easier way to make money, or obtain items? I know a few people who have gotten bans from this bug, and they are really good people. I stand firm in my beleif that this was in no way a "hack", but rather a leak of information by a game developer. Many of the players have spent countless hours in the game, and I look at it like this, the main responsibility comes from the game developers, in a way they should be thankful that this was found and now fixed. Permanent bans? I think abit overboard. Everyone who plays has a competitive nature and is looking for an edge on the rest of the competition, nothing more. If the software is that unstable, where there are so many of these "bugs", and this is not the first, maybe a more suitable action would be to fix the bugs, not to ban the players.

If the developers have proof that someone "hacked", well then that person does deserve the ban. But my guess is not all 117 people banned were involved in "hacking".

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

I know why you all keep thinking its some kind of hack, i would if i didnt know how its done and seen it for myself, a hack is the most simple and logical answer to think of, but no body hacked it ever, not "the first guy" no body.

it was found by people just going through DoA as normal. just like many of you we had guild DoA runs to do all 4 quests then mallyx where we would spend hours in all the zones.

please get a admin to ok-it and i will post exactly how it it done

Rambo' · Jan 11, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by X Artimus X

Many of the players have spent countless hours in the game, and I look at it like this, the main responsibility comes from the game developers, in a way they should be thankful that this was found and now fixed. Permanent bans?

Everyone who plays has a competitive nature and is looking for an edge on the rest of the competition, nothing more.

They probably would have been thankful, IF they had reported it to them straight away and not kept on repeating it. And as for the "competitive edge", well I think its pretty clear to distinguish between right or wrong...no matter what spin you lot want to put on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by X Artimus X

But my guess is not all 117 people banned were involved in "hacking".

As it was stated some pages ago, bans were not just given to these people but also ones who were repeatedly took part in the exploitation.

Coridan · Jan 11, 2008, 05:55 PM // 17:55

the go ahead and post how the exploit was done. Anet is saying it was a client side hack...you are saying it wasn't prove it... if it gets deleted here post it on another site...blog...whatever...because if Anet is lying to us about it being a hack then they need to come out and say so

Uber Mass · Jan 11, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Hack/Exploit/Glitch doesnt matter if you done over and over again with the knowledge its not the normal way to do it... you have failed and you got banned... No reason to discuss if its a hack, glitch, bug or in your own perspective non of these.

If someone is doing this and wants you to come along... You didnt think that it might be the wrong thing to do?? Maybe that its better not to do it??

To much QQ-ing allready in this thread...

Maybe better to lock it